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AC15 Hotfix 2 - Grid Settings Bug?

ejrolon@nospamplease.com — Mon, 06 Feb 2012 18:47:05 GMT

Author:ejrolon
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:47 pm (GMT+1)

and I this becomes embarrassing

Thought I was looking at the floor plan option but took the wrong screenshot but I cannot reproduce it know.
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AC15 Hotfix 2 - Grid Settings Bug?

NCornia@nospamplease.com — Mon, 06 Feb 2012 18:33:34 GMT

Author:NCornia
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:33 pm (GMT+1)

Eduardo,

Please notice that you are checking the boxes in the Section/Elevation subheading, not the Floor Plan subheading and the view below is a floorplan view.
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ksymons19@nospamplease.com — Mon, 06 Feb 2012 17:53:22 GMT

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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:53 pm (GMT+1)

Erika Epstein wrote:

Samoh, is that your name?
Why don't you add it to your signature along with the platform you work on.

I'm going to guess his name is Thomas

Anyway, on topic, what i like to do with Design Options ala Hotlinked Modules is create a dedicated layer/layer combination for each Design Option and let that layer be the Master Layer for the placed Hotlinked Module. In the case of overlapping design option elements cleaning up with hidden elements, I think changing the layer intersection priority of the Master Layer to be unique will resolve that.
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ejrolon@nospamplease.com — Mon, 06 Feb 2012 12:13:28 GMT

Author:ejrolon
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:13 pm (GMT+1)

Mzex, Ricosta is correct in what he write about Gehry's workflow. Though he forgot that they use a 3D scanner to digitize the base model.

Digital Project is the software produced by Gehry Technologies based on Catia.

You can watch the movie "Sketches of Frank Gehry" were they show how he works.
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mzex@nospamplease.com — Mon, 06 Feb 2012 08:24:18 GMT

Author:mzex
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:24 am (GMT+1)

Rlcosta wrote:

Even Gehry, one of the greats of freeform design, as I understand it has the following work flow:

-Physical model
-Rhino for basic forms from model
-Digital Project for the real stuff
-Autocad to output the 2D stuff

....so you need to be flexible and understand one program may not do it.

well, you are wrong.
Gehry has established a software company Gehry technologies, just to develop software for his architecture.
http://www.gehrytechnologies.com/

I am not sure, but that software is based on Catia. this is not checked information.
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Krippahl@nospamplease.com — Sun, 05 Feb 2012 22:00:05 GMT

Author:Krippahl
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:00 pm (GMT+1)

Ok, now I get it. Develop in different files, present in a single one, via Hotlink Modules. Can´ t see why I would want to do that, but that what´ s great in AC, it can be used in many different ways.
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Erika_Epstein@nospamplease.com — Sun, 05 Feb 2012 20:57:31 GMT

Author:Erika Epstein
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:57 pm (GMT+1)

I think Miguel we are talking at cross-purposes.
Samoh wanted to know how to handle multiple options, and also noted the ease of presenting from one file.
If you create the options in separate files, each one will have its own correct schedules.

For presentation one could, using modules, present from one file. Not knowing whether projects are small or large, using modules may or may not be appropriate.

Pointing out that Samoh was on 14 only because you mentioned the renovation feature which they do not have.

Samoh, is that your name?
Why don't you add it to your signature along with the platform you work on.
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Krippahl@nospamplease.com — Sun, 05 Feb 2012 20:46:48 GMT

Author:Krippahl
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:46 pm (GMT+1)

Oh, I did not know that was possible on 14. Wonder why they took it away...
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Erika_Epstein@nospamplease.com — Sun, 05 Feb 2012 20:30:56 GMT

Author:Erika Epstein
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:30 pm (GMT+1)

Agree, but she/he is on 14, not 15.
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Krippahl@nospamplease.com — Sun, 05 Feb 2012 20:24:55 GMT

Author:Krippahl
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:24 pm (GMT+1)

Erika, I am almost sure that you still can not filter schedules by modules, or even master module layers. If that is true, you end up with many kitchens in your schedule, unless you filter them by something else, like IDs or layers, which you will need to clean up further down the line.
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AC15 HotFix 2- Quick Options Bug? - Layer only slides right

ejrolon@nospamplease.com — Sun, 05 Feb 2012 19:53:17 GMT

Author:ejrolon
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 8:53 pm (GMT+1)

Monitor is an Apple 23 LCD.

It gets weirder, if I do a "New and Reset" it works ok but if I open a previous file then it happens again.
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AC15 HotFix 2- Quick Options Bug? - Layer only slides right

Karl_Ottenstein@nospamplease.com — Sun, 05 Feb 2012 19:46:40 GMT

Author:Karl Ottenstein
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 8:46 pm (GMT+1)

I loaded the Palette scheme xml that you posted, which is for a smaller monitor than mine, so I moved everything to the right edge of my monitor and still could not reproduce.

Maybe post the monitor model or resolution you are using, and someone else with the same monitor / res can test...?

What a strange thing...

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Erika_Epstein@nospamplease.com — Sun, 05 Feb 2012 19:46:34 GMT

Author:Erika Epstein
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 8:46 pm (GMT+1)

Depending on the design option, for example an addition to a building or kitchen remodel, you could create and place modules in the main file of the alternative schemes. The modules can be part or all of the scheme. This can facilitate presentation where options can be controlled by turning on the different module layers from one main file.

Layers are the same.

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AC15 HotFix 2- Quick Options Bug? - Layer only slides right

Karl_Ottenstein@nospamplease.com — Sun, 05 Feb 2012 19:41:11 GMT

Author:Karl Ottenstein
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 8:41 pm (GMT+1)

Interesting. Quick Options is snapped below Project Map for me and i still cannot reproduce the behavior... I'm testing with all AC windows/palettes on my main monitor, a 27" Apple LED display...
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Krippahl@nospamplease.com — Sun, 05 Feb 2012 17:12:05 GMT

Author:Krippahl
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 6:12 pm (GMT+1)

It boggles my mind to imagine the kind of management it would take to integrate two different solutions in the same model, let alone 3, 4 or more.

If you take modeling seriously, it is expected that you model not only to produce some plan views and a couple of renderings from early stage, but also thermal analysis, quantity take-off, model sharing with consultants, to name but a few.

To duplicate everything just to maintain a unique file, be it layers, layer combinations, views in the view map, layouts, publisher sets, schedules, seems to me like a real nightmare.

And then, as Erika mentioned, after you have one of the design options approved, you need to clean all the extra layers etc. (an attribute management nightmare), or drag them along when they no longer have any usefulness.

On the other hand, if you just open a second file and develop the alternative design in it, you can hop from one file to the other, and better still, just copy and paste stuff between them, because you know that everything will be similarly categorized. There is absolutely no need to manage anything (unless calling option A and option B is a management issue), thus allowing you to focus on the design.

And the cost? Some tiny extra memory usage, which can be dumped further down the line.
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Erika_Epstein@nospamplease.com — Sun, 05 Feb 2012 16:38:18 GMT

Author:Erika Epstein
Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 5:38 pm (GMT+1)

Another advantage to Miguel's solution of multiple files that I have found is that it is much easier going forward. After the choice of scheme has been made, layers are much simpler without all the multiple versions of wall-A, wall-B, wall-C etc.
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Bricklyne_Clarence@nospamplease.com — Sat, 04 Feb 2012 20:26:11 GMT

Author:Bricklyne Clarence
Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:26 pm (GMT+1)

Why don't you just use Layer combinations along with view options to control different views?

Assuming your different options share certain base similarities (like based on a common footprint or common basic structural layout) you could even have certain elements show up in all different options while the Layer combinations filter out the different schemes.

Alternatively I suppose one could adapt the new Renovation filter tool to act as a phasing or concept option tool, bit since you're still on ArchiCAD 14 I suppose this isn't an option for you.

Regardless, I don't see it as necessary to have multiple seperate files for the different options - which just seems to me as being unecessarily cumbersome and wasteful.
As long as you set up your drawing effeciently in terms of layers up front and take advantage of the layer combinations, you can do it all in one file and save yourself the trouble of duplicating your efforts and not to mention, wasting your precious time.

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Krippahl@nospamplease.com — Sat, 04 Feb 2012 19:33:22 GMT

Author:Krippahl
Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:33 pm (GMT+1)

Storage space is cheap. If you consider a 1Tb disk as costing about 150$, then a 20Mb file would cost some 0,3 cents.

Even with a duplication for the automatically generated backup file, and a further triplication for your regular backup, the file would cost you around 2 cents.

If your hour of work is valued at 50$, 2 cents would be 1/2500h. Call it 2 seconds.

So, any system that takes you more than 2 seconds to set up and maintain would be more expensive than duplicating your file to explore an alternative design.

I realize this is a gross simplification, but it helps to keep the memory issue in perspective
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Bugs remaining after ArchiCAD 15 hotfix-2

lec1212@nospamplease.com — Sat, 04 Feb 2012 18:31:14 GMT

Author:lec1212
Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 7:31 pm (GMT+1)

Thanks for bringing this to my attention again about bug reporting.
I've only reported when a bug report has popped on my screen, not thinking to go and find a place (in what seems like a far off place) to report something I think is a bug. Simplify the whole process.
How about having a nice BIG red url link right at the top of the forum index saying something like, best place to report bug, or some variation thereof?

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samohT@nospamplease.com — Sat, 04 Feb 2012 18:05:29 GMT

Author:samohT
Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 7:05 pm (GMT+1)

relatively new to Archicad - though I have v.14...

How do I easily set up a base drawing that then allows me to have several different architectural layouts that can be present ed as options to my client. I have been doing this the hard way by duplicating layer structures and then prefixing them with a different option number but this seems cumbersome and clumsy... and the only other way I know of is to create totally different files that seems to wast a lot of storage space...

AC15 HotFix 2- Quick Options Bug? - Layer only slides right

ejrolon@nospamplease.com — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 21:29:15 GMT

Author:ejrolon
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:29 pm (GMT+1)

not touching
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AC15 HotFix 2- Quick Options Bug? - Layer only slides right

ejrolon@nospamplease.com — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 21:28:44 GMT

Author:ejrolon
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:28 pm (GMT+1)

Ok, Found the problem.
If Quick Options is touching Project Map then Layers goes always to the right. If it does not touch then it behaves.
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ejrolon@nospamplease.com — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 21:25:37 GMT

Author:ejrolon
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:25 pm (GMT+1)

and how it looks.
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ejrolon@nospamplease.com — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 21:22:24 GMT

Author:ejrolon
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:22 pm (GMT+1)

Ops forgot to change my profile. I am running 10.7.3.
Restarted AC and the problem persist.
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AC15 Hotfix 2 - Grid Settings Bug?

Erika_Epstein@nospamplease.com — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 21:14:37 GMT

Author:Erika Epstein
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:14 pm (GMT+1)

confirmed, both platforms
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AC15 HotFix 2- Quick Options Bug? - Layer only slides right

Karl_Ottenstein@nospamplease.com — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 21:08:07 GMT

Author:Karl Ottenstein
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:08 pm (GMT+1)

Hi Eduardo,

I cannot reproduce what you're seeing - at least on Lion 10.7.3 I wonder if in making it work with Lion, something got broken with Snow Leopard?

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AC15 Hotfix 2 - Grid Settings Bug?

ejrolon@nospamplease.com — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 18:20:02 GMT

Author:ejrolon
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:20 pm (GMT+1)

Changing the settings of the Grid Bubbles in the Information Window are ignored.
Changing them in the info box works ok.

Can someone verify?
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AC15 HotFix 2- Quick Options Bug? - Layer only slides right

ejrolon@nospamplease.com — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 17:25:35 GMT

Author:ejrolon
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:25 pm (GMT+1)

correct way
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AC15 HotFix 2- Quick Options Bug? - Layer only slides right

ejrolon@nospamplease.com — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 17:24:32 GMT

Author:ejrolon
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:24 pm (GMT+1)

When docked on the right of the monitor the "layer" button on QUick Options only goes right disappearing from the monitor.
All other flyouts switch the direction based on the position of the palette.
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Bugs remaining after ArchiCAD 15 hotfix-2

Karl_Ottenstein@nospamplease.com — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 17:06:43 GMT

Author:Karl Ottenstein
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:06 pm (GMT+1)

Thanks, Dennis.

Dennis Lee wrote:

I wonder if it would be better to have all the bug reports to be on this or some other forum? At least you would know if the bug has been reported or not, so you won't waste time to report it again, and Tech support wouldn't waste their time telling each person that the bug has been reported and is being worked on.

Sure would be nice, and has been requested a few times over the years - but I don't think we'll see this happen for competitive and other proprietary reasons.

The Wiki had displayed a list of the most well-known bugs through AC 14, but I don't see a page there for 15 (yet). Might just not be seeing it. Here's the 14 page:
http://www.archicadwiki.com/ArchiCAD14/Bugs

Reporting a bug through support takes a little extra time - clear description and screenshot(s) and sometimes providing a PLN if requested - time that most folks don't have. But, it's the only way to get it into the system...

http://www.graphisoft.com/support/archicad/

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Dennis_Lee@nospamplease.com — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 04:09:55 GMT

Author:Dennis Lee
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:09 am (GMT+1)

Karl, yes I noticed that the post got moved right after I posted it. I appreciate your omni-presence on the forum!

Truth of the matter is, I do know that the proper channel to report bugs is through the technical support, but somehow I am so used to coming here first to see if there are others experiencing the same problem or not, do some searching, and then just end up not going to the technical support at all - maybe because I would get distracted by other things at work, or maybe just assuming that it already should have been reported if I find others with the same problem.

I wonder if it would be better to have all the bug reports to be on this or some other forum? At least you would know if the bug has been reported or not, so you won't waste time to report it again, and Tech support wouldn't waste their time telling each person that the bug has been reported and is being worked on.

Anyhow, the first problem is a random occurrence, and lately haven't run into them too much. However, the second issue has been a recurring problem for the past few weeks, and I think I've gotten it narrowed down to the JAVA / Adobe Reader updates. I will try to email Tech Support tomorrow.

Thanks again for your efforts here on the forum!
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Karl_Ottenstein@nospamplease.com — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 21:12:43 GMT

Author:Karl Ottenstein
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:12 pm (GMT+1)

Hi Dennis,

I split your comment from the announcement, to leave the announcement 'clean' (we forgot to 'lock' it to prevent replies - done now)...

Issue 1 is what is discussed here I think:
http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=200140#200140
and here:
http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=200141#200141
as something that will be in Hotfix 3 - release date unknown.

Important for all of us to report all issues we find as soon as we find them so that the developers have them on their list to schedule for future hotfixes / releases.

I know you're not one of them - but many users seem to think that mentioning a problem here is the proper route. GS might notice it but there is no guarantee - although it sure helps the rest of us to know what problems others are encountering (misery loves company as well as any workarounds suggested). Just a reminder to others: all bugs should be reported through the technical support channel for each country.

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Bugs remaining after ArchiCAD 15 hotfix-2

Dennis_Lee@nospamplease.com — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 20:01:13 GMT

Author:Dennis Lee
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:01 pm (GMT+1)

Thanks for the hotfix, but it looks like there is no fix for couple of nagging problems I've been having recently.

1. Random complex profile showing up from different projects for complex profile walls.

2. AC15 not starting at all - I think it's related to JAVA and / or Adobe Reader updates, but not sure. If I uninstall either one or both of them, it would start again.
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Print dialog too small- can't see all controls

Alan_Cook@nospamplease.com — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 20:57:59 GMT

Author:Alan Cook
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:58 pm (GMT+1)

I am running ArchiCAD 14 on a Windows XP PC. A few days ago, the print dialog started coming up too small, so that it doesn't show the full area of the dialog, and I can't access all the controls.

I have tried to use the repair function from the installation disk, with no success. Any idea how to get my dialog box the correct size again?
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ArchiCAD 15 hotfix-2 and ArchiCAD 14 hotfix-6

AndorSzoke@nospamplease.com — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 09:39:04 GMT

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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:39 am (GMT+1)

Today we have released the new hotfix packages for ArchiCAD 15 and ArchiCAD 14. Currently they are released through the automatic update system for the majority of the localized versions. Other versions are under testing. ArchiCAD 15 Hotfix-2 Build 3602 contains fixes for a large number of crashes, numerous import-export related bugfixes, bugfixes for data-loss problems and solves important Teamwork related problems. ArchiCAD 14 Hotfix-6 Build 4204 contains important Teamwork related bugfixes and solves data-loss problems. Please take a moment to read the Release Notes, and the list of fixed bugs:
http://www.graphisoft.com/support/archicad/downloads/ReleaseNotes/AC15-3267to3602-ReleaseNotes.html
http://www.graphisoft.com/support/archicad/downloads/ReleaseNotes/AC14-4044to4204-ReleaseNotes.html
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