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sityu
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 Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:56 pm Post subject: 3d in worksheets |
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Full featured 3d in worksheets, like an independent story (with all the possibilities of the story).
My feature suggestions:
-placing onto a story like an object, or like a hotlinked pln; left mousebutton: go to the hotlinked independent story (context menu item);
-even the possibilitiy of multistory worksheet;
-possibility to rotate or mirror, like an object (even with rotating in 3d window)
-worksheet save as pln, and open a pln as worksheet (could provide as flexibility as the components in sketchup - and even more: if not just local files could be hotlinked, but URI-s too)
-placing in sections/elevations window, too
Additional infos:
-if I knew a little of c++ I could almost do this add-on;
-with graphisoft's ac12 sdk it's not impossible to solve it;
-and this function could help to minimize the different functions of archicad. And as fewer the number of generic functions a software has, as better and easier the use of the software is.
A help with programming knowledge is welcomed (to do this add-on)!
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Master Script
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sityu
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| Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:20 am Post subject: Re: 3d in worksheets |
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I think, almost all of the answers are written in my topic starter, but I try to answer (providing further information):
| Master Script wrote: | Some questions about this feature:
What is your primary goal for this feature? |
"flexibility as the components in sketchup". & make possible to draw walls in worksheet-like (details, sections/elevations) windows; e.g.: for improving section-based details (it's much more easier to draw details with multi layered wall-like entities (which is usual), than with lines and fills.
| Quote: | | Can you give some examples? |
See above. A case-study: How you create archicad (gsm) object from the part of archicad model? You draw with walls, and/or slabs etc. On a separate layer, somewhere in the stories. And save the selected from the 3d window, or the floorplan. If you can draw in worksheet, you can draw freely (on every layer, with virtual trace; and the objects won't in be the model of the house). And if you think about, there is no need to save the worksheet as gsm object, if you can use it like the hotlinked module (and the possibility of rotating in 3d is just a 'rotx' command, and some 'hotspot' away - you can rotate and move the hotlinked module in 2d, yet).
| Quote: | | Why are objects and modules not good enough? |
Not flexible enough. I use those functions, too, but I feel the lack of doing more. (if you know the possibilities of componets of sketchup, you will know what I mean: everithing in sketchup can be a component, and you can do with component, what you want (not just the part of the functions; component can be a separate file or the part of the sketchup modell; and the reconfigure of the component is graphical, and without any restriction).
And this feature would be coherent to archiCAD's main philosophy, doesn't bring a completely new feature. And would eliminate some incomprehensible restrictions, like: the usable drawing tools in sections/elevations; placing worksheets (you cannot place inner worksheets/details to floorplan, just to layout page, but you can place external dwg file onto floorplan). By the way: I don't know the reason of separating sections from elevations...
And this feature may fit to existing structure of an archicad plan; of course it may cause some circular references, but it's a solvable problem.
So, after all, I can't find why not to have this kind of function (causes no real conflict).
And I would prefer to have a community of extending/expanding the functions of archicad (like the developing community of other softwares - e.g.: firefox, greasemonkey etc.).
And finally: the title of this topic is 'Open ArchiCAD Wishes'. And this function can open the archicad, really. But doesn't punch a hole on the ship of archicad.
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Peter Clark
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| Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:21 pm Post subject: Re: 3d in worksheets |
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I'm surprised this hasn't provoked more interest, as a 3d worksheet is an amazing idea! 100% essential IMHO!
I could definitely see this being used as a replacement for modules for creating 3d details of components for use in the project, like steelwork, custom joinery, or bathroom layouts for example.
Their usage would be more-or-less identical to modules, but just be built into the model - not an external file. You could then 'place' as many of these in the main model as you need and all would update automatically if the original was updated. It would also share an identical attribute set and loaded libraries to those used in the main model which would solve several problem.
This would even give you the opportunity to use them as a type of Option Manager where different design options could be easily swapped out for easy assessment - all within one file!
Documenting the details would also be simpler as any sections/elevs and 2d details produced would appear as just another item in the viewmap, so keeping everything relevant to that project in one place.
This functionality must be built-in though as it would form such a fundamental part of the workflow. It couldn't just be 'added on' for those who thought they needed it.
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