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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:24 pm    Post subject: Archicad 21 Training Reply with quote

We're new here trying to find some good, comprehensive training materials that we can access online. I somewhat dumbfounded that there are not better resources out there. Why does Archicad charge extra for training on top of the expensive licenses? Thank you...
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:05 am    Post subject: Re: Archicad 21 Training Reply with quote

Have You done the ARCHICAD Training Series allready? What about the Videos collection from Graphisoft site?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:38 am    Post subject: Re: Archicad 21 Training Reply with quote

I have to agree with Flowmaster. I'm in my last week of the 30-day trial for AC21. I want desperately for AC to be the BIM tool for my firm, but I'm disappointed in the lack of good training resources.

In my humble opinion, Archicad is not at all intuitive. The terminology and menu structure at times seem to be designed to hide what I'm looking for. I've been around long enough to know that this is probably true to some extent for any CAD or BIM app during the learning phase, but seriously Archicad seems to be the least user-friendly.

Archicad is clearly the most capable BIM app that is also Mac-native. We need training videos that teach, rather than show off what Archicad can do. The vids on YouTube are pitiful. The vids at Graphisoft are better-produced but no more helpful.

When I learned Revit, I found Lynda.com and LinkedIn Learning to be extremely helpful. Archicad needs this kind of learning resource. Where is it?!

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Archicad 21 Training Reply with quote

Can you elaborate this? Could you say a few examples of what ARCHICAD training materials are lacking in and what in the Revit materials were more useful? By the way, were those Revit resources free as well?
Are you aware that there are other ARCHICAD learning resources as well, like Eric Bobrow or Learnvirtual? Not free, but they are another learning option.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Archicad 21 Training Reply with quote

Thanks, Laszlo. I'd be happy to elaborate. And again, this is only a "newbie" opinion so please set me straight if I’m missing something. : )

I used Revit training as a comparison because the video tutorials I found on Lynda and LinkedIn are extraordinary, especially those by Paul F. Aubin. They are concise, not overly verbose, thorough, and broken into 3-5 minute vids with helpful names. They explain the app's structure and terminology, which is one thing I'd like to see improved in AC training.

By comparison, AC videos in LinkedIn mostly have very general names like “Archicad Essential Training” and “Learning Archicad”. That’s not helpful when I search for a specific tool.

Archicad seems to periodically rename tools and restructure the menus. For example, Eric Bobrow's session on setting up IFC data in AC19 referred to “File>File Special>IFC>IFC Scheme Setup”, but it's not there in AC21. It took some digging on my part to learn that it’s been moved and renamed to “Options>Classification Manager”.

Also in AC21, the “File>Interoperability>Classifications and Properties>Download BIM Content” is a very handy tool for the documentation side of our work. Note that it's buried 4 levels deep in the File menu rather than coupled with the Classification Manager under the Options menu. This might make sense to AC veterans and it might be an improvement but it's frustrating to this newbie.

Please remember that we greenhorns don't know what many of these proprietary terms mean. Looking them up in Google is rarely helpful. For this reason, I would suggest that training videos take the time to (briefly) explain what terms mean and how the tool fits logically into and architect's workflow and the AC menu structure.

And finally, a plea to the tireless Archicaders who produce the 2nd-tier tutorials on YouTube. Please get a decent microphone. ; )

Sorry for being so verbose. I am really impressed by what AC can do. And day by day I’m learning the logic and structure.

Thanks again for asking.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Archicad 21 Training Reply with quote

Thanks for the LearnVirtual tip. I'll dig into those asap.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Archicad 21 Training Reply with quote

Hi Bill,

Thanks for the explanation. I actually agree on you on both counts.
Unfortunately, there is not much we can do about the renaming things. Actually, some of those things is not really renaming. For example, the IFC Scheme Setup Dialog used to be the place where you could define what IFC Properties are be available in your Project File, it allowed you to define custom IFC Properties and it also offered you the ability to map values to IFC Properties.
The Property Manager kind of replaces that. GS wants us to be able to define ARCHICAD element properties and use that instead of defining and using custom IFC Properties. So the IFC Scheme Setup Dialog and the Properties Dialog are not the same, but they are used to achieve similar aims. This is why the IFC Scheme Setup Dialog is no longer available in ARCHICAD.

I agree that definition and clarification of terms is important, not only because we need to know what things mean, but sometimes the same thing is called something else in another application, or the same name is used for something else in another application.
So these are all useful suggestions.
As far as I am concerned I will make sure the people doing training materials will know about this as I will forward this thread to them.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Archicad 21 Training Reply with quote

Laszlo, thank you for your patience and understanding. I hope we can continue our discussion as topics arise.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Archicad 21 Training Reply with quote

Sure, that's why we are here. Wink
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