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By Mac_the_arc
#312903
A couple of quick questions on setting up layouts for issue.

1- Is it better to place text on the view map or on the layout sheets themselves.
2- Is there an equivalent of Revit 'model lines' in ArchiCAD, or are all lines only annotation elements and only applicable to the view they are drawn on?
By Braza
#312904
1. It will depends on the type of information. Is it plain text or labels linked to elements/properties?
2. I think you can do this with Morph Lines. They appear in both 2d/3d.
By Mac_the_arc
#312905
1. For the moment, just plain text, until I get my head around labels linked to elements. Im still grappling with ArchiCAD having used Revit for many years. Id like to do this within the view, however I don't see any 'view parameter' edges, so im reluctant to place text on the view to find it has been cropped when I place that view on a layout.

2. Thank for this, ill try morph lines.
#312911
1. If the text/info is only related with that ViewMap, I would place it inside the ViewMap. If the text/info is general to some set of drawings, I would place it in the Layout. But note that you can freely edit your ViewMap/Drawing Edges on Layouts. You can find help on this here.
Hope this helps.
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By LaszloNagy
#312917
Mac_the_arc wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:11 pm
2- Is there an equivalent of Revit 'model lines' in ArchiCAD, or are all lines only annotation elements and only applicable to the view they are drawn on?

If I understand correctly, you are asking whether lines drawn in Views are View-specific or not.
In Archicad, lines (and other element types, too) are assigned Layers (sort of the equivalent of Revit Categories). When you save a View, it saves which Layers are visible and which ones are hidden. So if the Layer on which you draw the line is set to be visible in multiple Views, then that Line will be visible in all those Views. So in Archicad, there is no such concept of an element being View-specific.

There is one thing though: Partial Structure Display options. Dimensions placed in one Partial Structure Display option will be specific to that Partial Structure Display option, and will not be displayed when another Partial Structure Display option is activated.
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By Barry Kelly
#312924
I would never annotate on a layout.
If you do, you will be forever swapping between the view and the layout to make sure every thing is synchronised.
Annotate in the views.

If you are worried about the extents of your layout, you can always set your layout page as a trace reference.

Barry.
By Mac_the_arc
#312943
Braza wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:44 pm
1. If the text/info is only related with that ViewMap, I would place it inside the ViewMap. If the text/info is general to some set of drawings, I would place it in the Layout. But note that you can freely edit your ViewMap/Drawing Edges on Layouts. You can find help on this here.
Hope this helps.
Can this work backwards? i.e. if I set the view parameters in the layout, can I transfer this to the view itself so I can see the extent of the view?
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By Barry Kelly
#312946
Mac_the_arc wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 8:39 am
Can this work backwards? i.e. if I set the view parameters in the layout, can I transfer this to the view itself so I can see the extent of the view?

The frame of the drawing on the layout is infinitely adjustable, or you can set it to "Fit frame to Drawing" in which case it will always surround what is in the drawing at all times.
The extent of the frame can not be seen in the view.

The extent of the frame does not limit what you can fit on the layout page.
The master layout and it margins determine what will fit on the page.
If the drawing frame extends past the layout page margins then it won't print beyond that margin.
That is why I suggested that you set the layout page as your trace reference in the view you are working on.


Barry.
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By Mac_the_arc
#313481
Ok, having spent many hours trying this out, im still perplexed by the way ArchiCAD handles text and layouts. Ive followed U-tube videos explain how to set up a view map, create a new view and then start adjusting this view ready for placing on a layout. Ive then followed your advice and 'traced' the layout onto the view to start placing tex, which seemed a good workflow. I (perhaps mistakingly) thought each view could be adapted using pens, filers, text, hatches etc independent of the other views. This is essentially how revit works, allowing you to 'graphically override' the model to suit the deliverable.

A few things are happening which is frustrating me, and im sure these have either simple explanations or my workflow is all wrong.

1. Ive set up both existing layout and proposed layouts and placed views onto these ready for text..

2. within the existing view, i've then placed text, and this appears on the layout.

3. This text however also appears on the proposed view, which has the filter set for 'proposed'

4. There also seems to be issued in 'tracing' these layouts onto the view. If I trace the proposed layout onto the proposed view, it looks fine, however when I go to the existing view, and swap this with the 'traced' existing layout, it appears in the wrong place.

Do I have to 'detach' each of these views to allow text, annotations etc to not infect other views.
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Screenshot 2020-07-15 at 21.04.40.png
existing view with text placed within view
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existing layout showing existing view
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proposed layout showing proposed view
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proposed view with traced layout