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By Barry Kelly
#280054
I don't use wall tags so I am not sure if you need separate layers for those.
If they are for display only at your larger scale then I can't see why not just have them in the large scale annotation layer.

I use an annotation layer for my standard scale (1:100) plans - in fact i have 2 as I sometimes like to separate text and dimensions - but one layer works just as well.
Then I have one annotation layer for my larger scale plans (1:50) which has all text and dimensions.
Yes it will overlap the plans and doesn't look correct until you save the separate views (model with no text and text only) and combine and crop them on a layout.

When you have 2 rooms next to each other and you want separate large scale layouts, I then create a second annotation layer and a new view for just that annotation layer.
Should you have 3 rooms next to each other then create a third annotation layer.
I have not had reason to go beyond 3 layers and views - but you could if you want to.
Then on the layouts you just decide which annotation view to use on top of the cropped base plan.

Back when I started using this method we did not have 3D documents.
If this works for you then that is a perfectly good method.
But don't you lose the symbolic display of object - in particular door swings?
Can you get the 3D Document plan to look the same as your standard floor plan?
I must say I really haven't played with 3D Documents in respect to working drawing plans.

Barry.
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By dcerezo
#280101
Hey Barry,

It looks like we're choosing which is the best way to skin the cat. Right now we're really liking the 3D Documents option. For doors, we're selecting the option to show it open in 3D that shows the door leaf open. Then we just add an arc line for the swing. Graphic Overrides pretty much takes care of the rest.

So far, we haven't found a hitch with the 3D document route. But who knows where it will go.
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By Barry Kelly
#280109
dcerezo wrote: It looks like we're choosing which is the best way to skin the cat.
That's Archicad for you. :lol:
dcerezo wrote: Right now we're really liking the 3D Documents option. For doors, we're selecting the option to show it open in 3D that shows the door leaf open. Then we just add an arc line for the swing. Graphic Overrides pretty much takes care of the rest.
I think that is the biggest problem - the plan is not a symbolic view like a real 2D plan.
dcerezo wrote: So far, we haven't found a hitch with the 3D document route. But who knows where it will go.
If it works for what you want then that is perfect.
For the method I use, I have all of the layers and layer combinations and views set up in my template.
Then it is just a case of adding the drawings (views) to the layouts (also already in the template), cropping them and overlaying them.
It doesn't take any extra time o effort at all once set up.

Barry.
By Ignacio
#280232
dcerezo wrote:To do the same thing in ArchiCAD, we could do 2 things (however, I think there's a 3rd we just discovered)
1. Detail view. The problem here is that these are all 2D elements. I can't tag the windows. I can't tag the doors. I can't tag zones, etc. Rebuilding is a pain and what if we forget. Plus lots of stuff re-sets when you Rebuild.
2. So we went with the Live View route that Barry showed. But we had to create sooooo many layers. Such a pain in the a**. We had to create Dimension layers for each unit, wall type tags for each unit, etc. AGAIN, the reason is because I just create one dimension layer, the dimensions from Unit B show on Unit A's enlarged plan....because they're only 12" apart.

We may have a 3rd way...what do you guys think....and why has no one mentioned this before? We are using the marquee tool to create a 3D Document floor plan.
[As a general principle: whenever something is requiring too much labor, it means you are not using the program right. Lots of people have been using the program for decades for much larger projects.]

You don't need to create layers for each unit. You need 'enlarged' layers for dimensions, annotations, perhaps 2D work if you have any, etc. So that you have say A-FLOR-DIMS for 1/8" dimensions, and A-FLOR-ENLG-DIMS for those that need to show at 1/4". (Normally, they are two independent sets, and you don't want 1/8" dims showing at all in 1/4" drawings. But that goes according to your preference.) You need a single wall tags layer, if you want a specific layer for wall tags instead of including them in say A-FLOR-ENLG-ANNO.

And you need a say 'Enlarged Plans' or '1/4" Plans" view, showing the layers you want to show, with Model View Options and Graphic Override Combinations finetuned for that view. Doors, wall layers, their 'hatches', etc., will show the way you want them to show on your 1/4" plan.

I understand that you have your four homes in a single file. So you just click on that Enlarged Plan view and do your 1/4" scale stuff, so that you are seeing what you are getting (or you could have say a 'drafting' view, with everything transparent so that overlap drafting mistakes become obvious, etc.). You move along the whole plan, copy-paste notes or extract-inject across the whole plan.

Now you want to create four 'enlarged plan' drawings out of that, one for each house. Drawings are just a cropped area of that overall view, in which you can change Pen Set and other options. For each drawing, you drag your view to a Layout, and drag the drawing edges to wherever you want in order to 'crop' it. Those are live drawings, unless you set them to update manually (which is my preference in larger projects). If you have some office-standard drawing title, etc., and for some reason your new drawing is showing some Archicad standard look or whatever, you option click on your good-looking drawing and inject on the new one you just created. That's it. All information is in 'modelspace', views are specific definitions of how that information need to look, and drawings are cropped areas of those views with some additional graphic control and title-etc. elements.

This is really basic stuff. You would save a lot of time and money and headaches by having some hours a week of someone experienced looking over your shoulder, or over Skype screen share, if you don't want to go through the manuals. Also purchasing one of the templates available out there helps a lot, as a starting point and as a sort of demonstration of how everything comes together, if the out-of-the-box Archicad setup is not clear or elaborate enough for that.
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By Erwin Edel
#280271
If it comes down to having an existing dimension string on two layers a simple 'drag a copy' and reassigning layer to the dimension string is all it takes.

We have information and text/dimension layers for 4 different scales and for generic (shown in all scales) for 2D annotation and in rare cases a bit of linework where ArchiCAD fails to make a correct connection.
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By dcerezo
#292999
Hi Ignacio,

Thank you for the in depth response, but I'm not sure if you understood what my issue was, but nevertheless, it was interesting to learn how you do it and how it could help us. Thanks!
By Ignacio
#293002
dcerezo, what I explained, or attempted to give you a glimpse of, is not “how I do it” but how the program works; the most important content in my message was the last paragraph. You must be burning an awful lot of man hours. I did what I could.
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By Tomek Piatek
#303371
dcerezo wrote:
Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:19 pm
We are relatively new to ArchiCAD, having come over from Revit, but this issue with Enlarged Plans and Details is really making us regret making the switch. The time it takes to do unit plans, enlarged bathroom and kitchen plans, enlarged stair plans, and corresponding annotations is insane.

What used to take us maybe 5 min tops, per unit plan, in Revit, is taking us like an hour in ArchiCAD because we have to create this layer or that, shut that one off, create a layer combination for this...it's ridiculous.

My question to all of those folks who have been using ArchiCAD for a long time is....really...is there no easier way?
I hear your pain. I've come over to ArchiCAD from a decade of Revit. There are some things about AC that are great and then there are some that are just retarded. I can't believe that they call themselves BIM leaders. No live details, no ability to do plan callouts, no ability to create sections anywhere (Yes, I want to create sections of sections of sections if that makes my job easier). Everything takes dozens of clicks to accomplish. And don't even get me started on the antiquated parameteric modelling solution - GDL. Revit's family modelling and type based parametrics are simply superior (but what about file size, blah blah blah, who cares get a better computer...)

Revit has its flaws, there are many some incredibly frustrating, but in my opinion it is a much better BIM solution.

Now that this rant is over, let's get live details please. And by that I mean detail callouts that just show the underlying 3D model, not a trace reference but the actual model. You can keep the current behaviour too if you wish but at least make the new behaviour possible. Please. That would be the single best improvement to AC right now.
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By Richard Morrison
#303372
You might want to explore 3D documents more thoroughly, as well as tutorials by Tim Ball, who uses live details extensively. e.g.
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By Tomek Piatek
#303420
Thanks for that. It definitely is a very attractive workflow. Modelling everything in 3D is not always the most practical but the payoff is always there, i.e. sections, elevations etc look the way they should.

As I get more proficient and have more freedom with how I run projects at work I will definitely shift towards this workflow. Thanks again for reminding me of this.