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By Bricklyne Clarence
#279881
V-Ray for ArchiCAD would be great.

I think Revit with V-Ray vs. ArchiCAD with CineRender is going to be an interesting comparison over the next year or so.
It does not deals with the same aim
Archicad include CineRender to give a way of create simple best picture than Archicad Render
If you want to compare you might compare OctaneRender/Archicad to Vray/Revit

That's not a fair comparison either.

OctaneRender is a GPU renderer that requires a powerful video card or high end graphics card, that most users don't necessarily have while Vray does not since it can render with the CPU on its own.
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By BERSEKAEL
#279954
V-Ray for ArchiCAD would be great.

I think Revit with V-Ray vs. ArchiCAD with CineRender is going to be an interesting comparison over the next year or so.
It does not deals with the same aim
Archicad include CineRender to give a way of create simple best picture than Archicad Render
If you want to compare you might compare OctaneRender/Archicad to Vray/Revit
I have both, Octane and Vray on another 3D software, and Vray RT GPU is way faster than Octane in many situations, and for other features Vray is way ahead of anything else in the market. About post, for Vray you need only a simple click on a Nick Collection Filter for Photoshop, but for Octane you have to spend too many hours in Photoshop for your final render. I really wish ArchiCAD had a port for Vray.
By Bricklyne Clarence
#288420
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I have both, Octane and Vray on another 3D software, and Vray RT GPU is way faster than Octane in many situations, and for other features Vray is way ahead of anything else in the market. About post, for Vray you need only a simple click on a Nick Collection Filter for Photoshop, but for Octane you have to spend too many hours in Photoshop for your final render. I really wish ArchiCAD had a port for Vray.


I disagree on that point.

Having used both extensively, I have to state that Corona is far superior to Vray in many respects.
It terms of its simplicity of use, it's speed in many situations, it's post-processing and lens-effects features.

Which would be why you're seeing a lot of Vray users jumping ship and switching to Corona.

Of course it hardly matters now since Chaosgroup (the makers of Vray) bought out the company that makes Corona (even though they're still producing both as separate products).

Also, if you're not aware, the makers of Corona are actually working on a port or a bridge for ArchiCAD specifically, to their render engine and they even showed off a working demo at a recent user conference complete with a working RT interactive renderer and window porting directly from ArchiCAD's 3D window.

So before long we will have an ArchiCAD-Corona combination to match up to Revit-Vray.

They (currently) have no plans to work on a Revit plugin or port any time soon.
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By Steve Jepson
#289386
And all of this is why we need a Benchmark file.

Lumion 9 Pro LiveSynk add-on for ArchiCAD 22 I have installed with the Corona add-on for ArchiCAD, Maxwell Render add-on is for an older version of ArchiCAD. I never used it anyway. Just import .3ds model made with ArchiCAD. I also have a demo for Art*Lantis 2019 installed. Just finished testing it.

Lumion 9 Pro is perhaps 50 times faster than faster that Art*Lantis 2019. And the quality is the comparable if not equal, but much, much easier to achieve with Lumion. No contest there as far as I am concerned.

Corona for ArchiCAD is better than CineRender perhaps, but not anything radically better. It all depends on how well you know how to use one or the other. Corona is faster, and has more potential to deliver better quality images. But also more difficult to get good results that Lumion which could not be easier.

I am not ready to trade in my Maxell Studio/Render because I can still make better quality images with it and it is actually pretty fast with my GPU NVIDIA P5000 Cuda Cores. Besides, the functionality of Maxwell Studio is not something you can do with Corona, Lumion, CineRender, or Art*Lantis or even ArchiCAD. You can tweak the geometry in Maxwell Studio to make edges sharper or rounder -- things like that.

Top quality rendering is still all about the materials you use. I like Maxwell Studio best for doing that.

We need a Benchmark ArchiCAD model to make better comparisons for quality and speed.
By Bricklyne Clarence
#289396
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Corona for ArchiCAD is better than CineRender perhaps, but not anything radically better. It all depends on how well you know how to use one or the other. Corona is faster, and has more potential to deliver better quality images. But also more difficult to get good results that Lumion which could not be easier.

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So you're comparing Corona for ArchiCAD - which is still an Alpha version, barely even in the second release - to Lumion 9 - a COMPLETE version software which is 9 versions in,........and you think this comparison makes sense?

In fact I would even argue that your comparison of Lumion 9 with ANY of the other renderers there (with perhaps the exception of Maxwell's GPU mode) makes ZERO sense to me since it's a GPU renderer that necessitates the user having a powerful graphics card while the rest are pretty much ALL CPU renderers and work with vastly different algorithms from GPU renderers.


I'm not exactly sure what you hope to glean or learn from such a comparison (in either of the cases) or such comparisons.