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By Moonlight
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By the way,

Beside the post I have shared with you, there was another one made with a special focus on the MEP side of Revit in comparison to that of Bentley MicroStation ...

Unfortunately, I have lost it long time ago :(
By qbic-ft
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Hi Christophe,
I would like to have in AC is temporary dimensions and the ability to locking things with grids, walls, etc., as Revit does. It would speed up the design process considerably.

Nothing is perfect, but I can do way more with ArchiCAD without feeling frustrated when using Revit. ( And I was the "expert" in Revit.)

One of the main reasons I switched was the constant emails and phone calls to push me to switch my permanent licenses to the subscription model... and the ultimatum when they cancel the maintenance program, so I have to decide if I accept the extortion from them or I go with the competition...So, here I am now.
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By Christophe Fortineau
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qbic-ft wrote: Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:52 pm ... locking things with grids, walls, etc., as Revit does. It would speed up the design process considerably.
You have to specify your request but I think it is possible to give you same or quite same functionalities.
By scraptrash
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Prvoime wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:44 pm Any Revit defectors here?
i do both BIM manager for revit and archicad for a living.
Prvoime wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:44 pm Hello everyone. I was tasked with testing the BIM waters for our little firm. Googling told me that market share of Revit and Archicad is somewhat equal in Europe, and that Revit has better interoperability with engineering and MEP people. So I spent couple of hours with Revit, daily, for the past month. And you know what, after a month, I could do the simplest of objects. Maybe. With much struggle.
Maybe I'm just to stupid, but as someone who mastered 3dsmax, Mental ray, Corona, Fusion, Photoshop... and a number of related programs, I think I'm at least fairly average.
i started off by learning 3ds 4 ( that's before Max...) in high school, encountered archicad in university and I struggled to learn archicad because the modelling methodology was counter-intuitive for me. My experience is 3D software and BIM software model differently and you would need to learn to think differently.
Prvoime wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:44 pm - The main issue I have with Revit is that as far as graphic standards go, there is nothing in it that is used in my country. I have to create everything from scratch. And everything is in families. So you first have to master families. Basically you have to be a Revit expert to even start working in it. And then you try to create things - and they don't work.
you need to be a good coder (i.e. know how to script in computer language) to understand how revit works and to tame revit. You're right that revit library is very lacking.
Prvoime wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:44 pm For example - door tags - Revit doesn't recognize in which direction doors open so you have to have 4 different tags types (up, down, left, right, our tags have to be "inside" the doors), add to that different materials that have to be noted on the tag (wood, PVC, metal) and you end up with 12 door tag types. Sigh.
door in revit does not recognise door opening directions (in, out, left, right). on API level, you can only tell whether the door is flipped. So Revit door is incapable (even on API level) to hold information sufficient for door builders, while archicad door can recognise the above and is sufficient for builders.
Revit door tag though is not as difficult as you described. I can have one door tag type to show the door material whatever the material is.
Prvoime wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:44 pm Spot elevation - create new family (of course, you have to create a new family) - it can be flipped down but Revit doesn't move text with it, you have to move it manually. Sigh.
Cut lines, section heads, doors, windows... Nothing that Revit ships with is of any use to me.
These markers are disaster in revit. They have multiple levels of family nesting that baffles even expert users.
Prvoime wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:44 pm I'm guessing this is similar in Archicad, I just wonder is it equally difficult to do as in Revit?
Archicad is straight forward. All are done in one user interface dialogue. You simply need click on that marker setting to find out.
Prvoime wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:44 pm - Building pad, it cuts a hole in the ground, but it also shows through building elements. Sigh.
Revit cannot do solid boolean operation. All companies i know in my city write dynamo to obtain coordinates, setting outs, get excavated volumes when modelling excavation. (and they are very proud of themselves.)
in archicad, I don't use building pad (is building pad in revit or archicad? may be i mixed up....), but solid operation. Archicad can snap to the points so you can obtain the above natively.
Prvoime wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:44 pm - Elevations show basement, and foundation, and everything that's bellow grade! What? And there is no easy way around this. If you're lucky to have a level peace of land than sure, you can hide foundations, and then you have to create a part of the foundation wall that goes up to the grade, which you'll hide, then continue with another wall type which you wont hide... It's ludicrous. Or you can create something like Autocads WIPEOUT command and "hide" everything behind a solid hatch. Sigh. And if terrain isn't leveled? Tough luck, not Revits problem, edit walls profiles to mach the terrain. Except you cant snap to where terrain intersects with the building, so you eyeball it. Sigh.

- Speaking of grade, you can't place a spot elevation dimension on grade in sections. Sigh.
As said above, you need to code to obtain the grade dimension / setting outs.
Prvoime wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:44 pm - You want correct material takeoff? Well you can't have it. Create a brick wall and run a concrete column through it, Revit will report amount of brick like that concrete column doesn't even exist. What? Yup, you have to manually "join" them which would be a colossal waste of time on any object bigger than a shed. Sure, you can subtract one of the other in Excel, but than you have to keep track of columns and beams that go through walls, and those that don't. What about those columns and beams that are only half way in walls or floors? LOL, not Revits problem! Good luck with them! Insanity, I tell you!
Revit model cannot be used for quantity takeoff. period. Rubbish in rubbish out. Revit does not have priority junction. "Join" function isn't necessarily reflected in quantity. Material is a joke. No one i know uses materials in revit except for rendering.
In archicad, quantity is reliable. you can youtube "contrabim" to know more.
Prvoime wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:44 pm - Speaking of material takeoff, you want excavation quantities? You cant have it. Revit doesn't do it. Well, it sorta does, you have to use something called a Graded region, and manually place points, and eyeball some of them because it can't actually be vertical because, well, it's graded, fiddle with them in different sections... It's a mess.
forget about it if you don't code.
the easiest way to do in revit is to export it to archicad, do the calculations, and send back to revit. Viola.
Prvoime wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:44 pm - Speaking of bricks, there is not a single material in Revit with hollow clay blocks. Are they not used in USA, but only in continental Europe? Block walls, nope, create them. Hollow blocks slabs? LOL, good luck with that, can't be done. Well maybe it can through, you guessed it, custom family, which you'll then manually place in every concrete slab. So simple.
In revit, material setting is randomly located in elements. you won't find a consistent place that holds the material setting of the elements. it is not usable.
In archicad, element material setting location is consistent and is crucial for a lot of other implementation, e.g. priority junction. it's a setting you will actually use. You can of course find bricks in archicad.
Prvoime wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:44 pm - Speaking of walls, they don't cut through floor layers. Sigh. So if you want accurate sections you have to create floor slabs for every level, and then on top of them "second" floors with the rest of the layers (insulation, finishes) for every room separately. Sigh.
that's why you need priority junction in archicad.
Prvoime wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:44 pm - Setting project / true north is a d*mn two man job.
hmm...shared coordinates, project based point, survey points, internal origin hell....
in archicad, it's easy.
Prvoime wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:44 pm - Stairs? In deep voice: GET READY FOR THE PAIN.
stairs are difficult in real life. but sure, archicad's stair is much more customizable. in revit, you again need to deal with nested families hell....
Prvoime wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:44 pm This is just from the top of my head. A bunch of fire hoops to jump through. So to repeat myself, question to all those that also use (have used) Revit, should I stick with Revit or, potentially, waste another month with Archicad and come to no conclusion?
At the end of the day, a question to ask is what do i use the software for?
if to help others to implement, use revit.
if to do real project on your own, use archicad.

and from what you've written, I think you have only scratched the surface of the revit hell. :lol: