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#325668
This sounds really exciting and sharing something that you're passionate about and working on is the best way to introduce yourself. :D

Thank you for sharing here, I'm not a developer but have friends who are, and from the little I understand this could be cool. I don't think we need to only share finished projects, I like hearing about the process and stories behind things, and perhaps other developers have insights, ideas or questions to share that would add to your project.
#325669
I'm seconding each word by Podolsky, this is highly interesnting topic, even if its not ready yet, maybe we can give some positive energy to Beanjs.

Karl, I can hardly understand why are you being so rude with Beanjs and its very interesting initiative. At first you complained on Beanjs not using its personal name or its credentials (this doesn't bother me at all btw, this doesn't turn on my spam alarms by no means... in fact, he is sharing source code, and has publicly shared his python work in relation to archicad already two years ago.

Now you want to archive the thread because it is not developed enough. Excuse me? Did you consider if Beanjs is just searching for feedback, looking for other people to join the project, or maybe just self promoting... I really don´t care, this can´t be anything but positive for Archicad and its community, so why are you so determined to delete it?

Please, as a member of this community and as a Graphisoft customer, I ask you to leave this thread as it is, because it is of great interest to me as an Archicad user. Let me say that I think you are making a poor job as a moderator here. You should encourage the creation of a wealthy Archicad user community, instead of being a problem for this to happen.

This is incredible...
#325670
OK guys, I'll leave the thread. My point as a moderator is that this does absolutely nothing yet for ARCHICAD, so is premature to even be discussed here (because it does not even offer what it will eventually provide) - and it was also posted several times in other Python threads as if it was a WORKING substitute for any other Python system within ARCHICAD, which it is not.

The point of using a real name etc is that this is an add-on that a user, rather than a developer, might download - source code or not. Anyone posting add-ons - which present a risk to the user by their very nature - should at least announce their real name and affiliation. This is the first case of an anonymous developer presenting something here and I'm not comfortable with the idea.

So, again, I will leave this here (the admin may have different feelings), and hope to be proven wrong by someone doing something useful with this. :-)
#325673
Guys.
I want to say, that apart of personal opinions of anyone - developers, users, moderators or even company - exist simple fact - we NEED working Python in ArchiCAD.
Currently exist two solutions - one that started almost 3 years ago in China by third part developer and another that appeared in ArchiCAD 24 developed by Graphisoft.
Unfortunately both are promising more than doing. When I did hear first about Python in ArchiCAD - I was super exited, as I have very big need in developing Add-Ons, but cannot handle C++. When I look at C++ documentation I understand I need few years of study programming and after will be able to write my first Add-On. I had very big hope, that Python will help me with that - just because it's a script, that can be executed without compiling. I also have seen how many cool stuff is written in Python in another programs - like Blender, or GIMP.
But today, when I look to Python - I see that very little possibilities there. It can change ID's, some properties and create or delete layouts.

Why Graphisoft cannot collaborate with Beanjs and develop together useful tool? Does exist Graphisoft China? Invite Beanjs to the office, review his development, make him an offer, if this development has potential. There are so many ways to communicate! The worst that we can do - is communicate that in famous British show: "Computer says NO".

WE NEED WORKING PYTHON.
#325679
Podolsky wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 7:23 am Guys.
I want to say, that apart of personal opinions of anyone - developers, users, moderators or even company - exist simple fact - we NEED working Python in ArchiCAD.
Currently exist two solutions - one that started almost 3 years ago in China by third part developer and another that appeared in ArchiCAD 24 developed by Graphisoft.
Unfortunately both are promising more than doing. When I did hear first about Python in ArchiCAD - I was super exited, as I have very big need in developing Add-Ons, but cannot handle C++. When I look at C++ documentation I understand I need few years of study programming and after will be able to write my first Add-On. I had very big hope, that Python will help me with that - just because it's a script, that can be executed without compiling. I also have seen how many cool stuff is written in Python in another programs - like Blender, or GIMP.
But today, when I look to Python - I see that very little possibilities there. It can change ID's, some properties and create or delete layouts.

Why Graphisoft cannot collaborate with Beanjs and develop together useful tool? Does exist Graphisoft China? Invite Beanjs to the office, review his development, make him an offer, if this development has potential. There are so many ways to communicate! The worst that we can do - is communicate that in famous British show: "Computer says NO".

WE NEED WORKING PYTHON.
Hello Podolsky, nice to meet you. I am the author who first introduced python to archiacd 3 years ago. It was first used in Archicad 20 at that time. At that time, due to reasons such as ability and money, the project could not continue. And now I have overcome these hardships, so I decided to build this technology and release it. I like archicad, even though I am not an architect. I just hope that archicad's secondary development work can become simple, because I don't like to complicate simple problems.
#325680
ethanbodnar wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 1:18 am This sounds really exciting and sharing something that you're passionate about and working on is the best way to introduce yourself. :D

Thank you for sharing here, I'm not a developer but have friends who are, and from the little I understand this could be cool. I don't think we need to only share finished projects, I like hearing about the process and stories behind things, and perhaps other developers have insights, ideas or questions to share that would add to your project.
Thank you very much, I don't care about Karl's point of view. Because I know that many people want this technology in Archciad. I will continue to do it so that everyone who uses archicad can get convenience from it.
#325681
leceta wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 2:06 am I'm seconding each word by Podolsky, this is highly interesnting topic, even if its not ready yet, maybe we can give some positive energy to Beanjs.

Karl, I can hardly understand why are you being so rude with Beanjs and its very interesting initiative. At first you complained on Beanjs not using its personal name or its credentials (this doesn't bother me at all btw, this doesn't turn on my spam alarms by no means... in fact, he is sharing source code, and has publicly shared his python work in relation to archicad already two years ago.

Now you want to archive the thread because it is not developed enough. Excuse me? Did you consider if Beanjs is just searching for feedback, looking for other people to join the project, or maybe just self promoting... I really don´t care, this can´t be anything but positive for Archicad and its community, so why are you so determined to delete it?

Please, as a member of this community and as a Graphisoft customer, I ask you to leave this thread as it is, because it is of great interest to me as an Archicad user. Let me say that I think you are making a poor job as a moderator here. You should encourage the creation of a wealthy Archicad user community, instead of being a problem for this to happen.

This is incredible...
Thank you, I will continue to plump the xBIMer project. At the same time I hope you can help me. I believe this technology can greatly improve the difficulty of archicad's secondary development and make more people willing to join the archicad family.
#325682
Hi Beanjs,

Have you tried to contact Graphisoft China or Singapore (I see on the web-site there is someone in Hong Kong)? Maybe they can give you more local support? For example to help solving legal issues with that, if such issues would appear?

As I understand, Graphisoft would like to control quality of third part Add-Ons developers, that someone wouldn't develop extensions, that potentially start crashing the program and compromise the whole system. I don't think it would be nice, if situation potentially would turn the way, when Graphisoft start ban your project, just because you are completely independent and did not coordinate this development with them.
#325685
Podolsky wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 5:02 pm Hi Beanjs,

Have you tried to contact Graphisoft China or Singapore (I see on the web-site there is someone in Hong Kong)? Maybe they can give you more local support? For example to help solving legal issues with that, if such issues would appear?

As I understand, Graphisoft would like to control quality of third part Add-Ons developers, that someone wouldn't develop extensions, that potentially start crashing the program and compromise the whole system. I don't think it would be nice, if situation potentially would turn the way, when Graphisoft start ban your project, just because you are completely independent and did not coordinate this development with them.
Thanks for your reminder, I will insert a disclaimer in the project. In addition, since the current xBIMer project is not enough to attract their attention, I will not take the initiative to contact the official. In the future, xBIMer will release the "App Store", whose purpose is also to control the quality of add-ons, which does not conflict with the official. I also want to use the "App Store" to allow Archicad users to install the plug-ins they want in Archicad, just like installing apps on their phones.

If the officials do not let me continue the project, I can close the project completely. Because my xBIMer project is a completely free project, I don't want to make this very complicated. If the official is interested in my project, I am willing to cooperate with them to develop xBIMer technology as a part of archicad.