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What's your opinion about this wish?

Essential (5)
4
22%
Important (4)
9
50%
Average (3)
1
6%
Not important (2)
1
6%
Not needed (1)
3
17%
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By Peter Clark
#138903
Keith JAW wrote:....Maybe modules would be the answer (if we had 'in place' editing!)
I think if modules and groups were combined to some extent, with in-place editing, it could become very powerful. You could have the choice to set them up as either 'component' objects / assemblies, or one-off groups on-the-fly.
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By Stuart Atkinson
#138955
kliment wrote:You can do exactly what you want now! When you make new groups you must have groups enabled. Thus AC keeps group hierarchy. When you ungroup with groups enabled you have this hierarchy working backwards.

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I think groups work very well now! Complaints usually come from people, who don't know all the tricks with working with groups.
You miss the point.
I all ready know how to use groups. I all ready know they keep their hierarchy when ungrouping with groups enabled.
BUT, at the moment when you suspend groups it suspends ALL groups.
What i "wished" for is the suspend groups to work in the reverse order the hierarchy is made.

Which i know will be handy to all that use groups.
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By Erika Epstein
#138971
Stuart Atkinson wrote: You miss the point.
We don't miss the point. We happen to disagree with you and the importance of your wish.
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By Erika Epstein
#138972
Peter Clark wrote:
Keith JAW wrote:....Maybe modules would be the answer (if we had 'in place' editing!)
I think if modules and groups were combined to some extent, with in-place editing, it could become very powerful. You could have the choice to set them up as either 'component' objects / assemblies, or one-off groups on-the-fly.
Peter,
I like your idea of being able to more easily modify modules; perhaps you could expand on this in a separate wish.
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By Barry Kelly
#138975
Erika Epstein wrote:
Stuart Atkinson wrote: You miss the point.
We don't miss the point. We happen to disagree with you and the importance of your wish.
Kliment did and looking at your earlier post I think you don't quite realise what Stuart wants either.

Ungrouping a master group is fine as it leaves all the subgroups which can be moved or manipulated as needed (so long as gouping is enabled).
But what Stuart wants is the ability to turn the master group back on.
Currently this can't be done whereas you and Kliment both seem to think it can - you have to select all of the subgroups and re-group them manually.

That's not hard to do unless there are a lot of them and they are scattered all around the plan or there were some individual objects included in the master group.

I'll be voting "Important" as I don't think it is essential, but I can definitely see what Stuart is after and that it is important to him.

Barry.
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By Erika Epstein
#138976
I do understand. For all that I am a devotee of the grouping feature, I haven't found a need for this. When I want to do what you describe, I can suspend groups, select the elements of the one or more groups that I want to remove or delete and ungroup. When grouping is enabled, the nested grouping remains intact.

It may just be that I don't have to do this that much. Murphy's law, that will be how I will spend the next 3 days.:wink:

I also use a lot of modules and it is easy to do this kind of editing there as although I agree with Peter that this aspect of modules could use improvement.

I am not against the wish, just the way I have used the program, it's not a priority. I'm not ruling out that should it be implemented. who knows, I might find it indispensable.
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By Stuart Atkinson
#138981
Erika Epstein wrote:I do understand. For all that I am a devotee of the grouping feature, I haven't found a need for this. When I want to do what you describe, I can suspend groups, select the elements of the one or more groups that I want to remove or delete and ungroup. When grouping is enabled, the nested grouping remains intact.
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To pick you up on this point, what if you have to individually pick 20 items that you have previously grouped, but now can't as they are part of a master group (and you have suspended the groups), and you dont want to ungroup that master group as you'll end up with 100 other individual items that you will have to select, one at a time, to re-group them back into the master group?.
This example is a perhaps little extreme, but you get my point.

I based the wish on the fact that ArchiCAD already remembers the hierarchy of the groups and it would certainly make my drafting life easier if i could better utilise this.
I figured others may also like the idea. If you don't that is fine and you can cast your vote accordingly.

And to those that mentioned modules, i think that is a separate subject.
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By Barry Kelly
#138987
Erika Epstein wrote:I do understand. For all that I am a devotee of the grouping feature, I haven't found a need for this. When I want to do what you describe, I can suspend groups, select the elements of the one or more groups that I want to remove or delete and ungroup. When grouping is enabled, the nested grouping remains intact.
That's fine if you want to move or delete individual elements, but what if you want to do that to the whole of one of the sub-groups? - could be dozens of individual elements.
Suspending knocks everything back to individual elements and ungrouping destroys the group completely.
So at the moment Stuart can't win.

Of course you can always save a selection set (in Find & Select palette) so as well as selecting it to group you can save that selection so it can be re-selected later.
Erika Epstein wrote:It may just be that I don't have to do this that much. Murphy's law, that will be how I will spend the next 3 days.:wink: .
:lol:
Erika Epstein wrote:I am not against the wish, just the way I have used the program, it's not a priority. I'm not ruling out that should it be implemented. who knows, I might find it indispensable.
I think it is one of these "It would be nice" wishes but is certainly not essential for me at least.
On the surface it seems to make sense that it would be easy to implement but who knows.
I rarely use groups (except those that are already auto-grouped) and even less rarely have sub-goups in groups.
But maybe if it worked I would use it more.

Barry.